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Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

As an avid pedestrian and cab passenger, I love the odds-and-evens road restrictions that have been in place since the beginning of the Olympics.

 

In fact, I see no real reason why it should not be made permanent. It makes the city less congested and arguably less polluted.

 

Sure its a minor inconvenience to car owners. But we're at the stage with this city now that there's just too many vehicles.

Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?
Yes
67% (43 votes)
No
27% (17 votes)
Undecided
6% (4 votes)
Total votes: 64

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Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

Although I do understand that certain restrictions should be made, the odd/even is probably not the answer. I certainly don't have the answer to what will work, but perhaps a higher amount of money to paid in order to buy a car or registering a car might be the way to go. Another thought could be having the odd/even but only to be enforced in certain areas like within the 4th ring road, might help.

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

interesting tidbit from China Daily

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2008-08/19/content_6948308.htm

Quote:
According to a recent survey by the Beijing Social Facts and Public Opinion Survey Center, 95 percent of the more than 2,000 Beijing residents polled said the traffic control measures introduced for the Olympics had been effective, and 58 percent said they should be retained after the Games.

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Seems that on the 28th of this month the restriction on odd/even is lifted for cars outside the 5th Ring road which is good news for me as now I will be able to drive somewhere if I need to when I get home.
However even after all the restrictions are lifted, I still will use the subway. It takes me about 20 minutes longer, but saves money, occasional aggravation, and will reduce traffic and emissions on my account.

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

admin wrote:
interesting tidbit from China Daily

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2008-08/19/content_6948308.htm

Quote:
According to a recent survey by the Beijing Social Facts and Public Opinion Survey Center, 95 percent of the more than 2,000 Beijing residents polled said the traffic control measures introduced for the Olympics had been effective, and 58 percent said they should be retained after the Games.

I wonder how many of those people own a car? The restrictions should be abandoned. It stinks of control and there is already too much control on the Chinese people now.

Illegitimus non carborundum

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

I drive, and it would be less convenient for me, but I think they should keep the restrictions, perhaps inside the third ring or third ring and in.

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Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

i'd say keep the restrictions on anything within the 4th ring.

Please, please please, powers that be, think seriously about this!

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I doubt it will make a huge

I doubt it will make a huge difference if they make it permanent it I will just buy a second car.

Personally I think they should ban cars inside the 3rd ring road. Make it a bus and taxi only zone with some sort of an electric bicycle lane maybe. Just go for something out of the box

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

If you want to kill the auto sales market, keep even/odd. Ask yourself, would you buy a car if you can use it only 1/2 of the time? The restriction only hurts the middle-class working family with one car. The rich can buy two or four cars with different plates, the powerful will get exemptions (CPC/PLA etc).

A vote for the restriction just is a vote against the middle class of China. You are just saying a Chinese citizen, or a foreigner for that matter, with only enough money to buy one car should forget it.

James in BJ

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

i pretty much guarantee anyone saying 'keep the restrictions' don't have a car. of course a few exceptions to the rules, but as a whole, i imagine like the first poster, it's people who dont have a car in favor of keeping restrictions when it really doesn't affect them.
...can you imagine what it actually costs to run car? besides the purchase price, also have insurance, gas, taxes, maintenance..if now the gov't said, 'oh by the way, you can no longer drive your car unless we say it's ok' i'd be pretty furious!! I DO take the subway to work and when it's more convenient, but if they did make odd/even thing, they should have a grandfather clause so those who already paid through the ass for a car don't get screwed over. plus i imagine re-sale prices of cars would plummet because can no longer drive it everyday, so i'd be stuck with a car i could never sell and can only drive half the time!!
...sorry this was long..but here's the point. if they did consider this, i suggest they poll only people who actually drive because it affects them. sure you can complain about the smog and everything else, but until you spent hundreds of thousands of hard-earned yuan to buy something, only to be told you can't use it half the time you couldn't understand. imagine the gov't told you from now on you can only use your laptop every other day to save electricity..you'd be pissed off..admit it!!...and thats pennies compared to a car.
haha

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

I think odd/even is a good idea for Beijing, but it is a pain in the ass to have to rent two A6's....

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Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

Admin, sorry, but an additional comment or two. Since when is taking away 50% of my right to use my car a "minor inconvenience. O do not own a car in BJ yet, but I will in a few months, but only if the restriction is removed. If my take from a project is large enough, I will just buy two cars. But not just one that is restricted.

Higher taxes are just saying to BJ'ers and others that the little guy shouldn't be allowed a car. Of course, that is fair in China, isn't it?

James in BJ

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

Try Sao Paulo. They have been doing this for a long time for the sake of both traffic and pollution.

Cars with a license plate that ends in 1 or 2 are not allowed to drive in the city on Monday; plates ending in 3 or 4 are banned on Tuesday, no plates ending in 5 or 6 on Thursday, and on Friday 9s and 0s are off the streets. These restrictions are in effect between 7 and 10 am and 5 and 8 pm. So it is only rush hour and one one day per week for most people...but a lot of people have a second car to beat this - just like here.

On the other hand, Sao Paulo has loads of commercial helicopters to take you almost anywhere in the city, fast. For a fee. I wish Beijing would get those.

And they have awesome food.

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Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

if Beijing doesn't implement something like this permanently, you might as well leave your car at home as you are not going to be able to drive anywhere.

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Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

If they ever do decide to have permanent restrictions, they really have to make the penalty for violating higher. As it is relatively low now, many people do not care about the fine as they can easily afford it. However, stiffer financial penalties and perhaps revocation of driving privileges may help deter some from driving. If they decide to ban driving within the 4th or 3rd ring roads, they should only have the restriction during the rush hours similar perhaps what they have for the bus lanes etc. Just a thought.

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

admin wrote:
if Beijing doesn't implement something like this permanently, you might as well leave your car at home as you are not going to be able to drive anywhere.

You try telling that to the new upwardly mobile Chinese middle class who now have a high degree of Automotive fever. The Chinese wish to be like the rest of the world and I don't think they will stand for any such restrictions for a long period of time. Those days are past in China. The people will think it is a government problem and the government should take care of the problem without it affecting the quality of their materialism. This is the new China and the people are finding their voices everyday. Take away a right of the people today and it reeks of Mao and he has been past these 32 years. The restrictions may be a good thing, however unless it is the thought of the people I don't believe the restrictions will work. Take something away from the Chinese people and they will disobey something else in order to retrieve what they feel is rightfully theirs. Restrictions at this avenue in time. I feel it is a pipe dream.

Illegitimus non carborundum

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

zhenlai wrote:
The Chinese wish to be like the rest of the world

how would they like to lead the world in longest commutes, most road congestion, lung cancer and birth defects?

The Chinese could lead the world with road management

zhenlai wrote:
The people will think it is a government problem and the government should take care of the problem without it affecting the quality of their materialism.

even if you have a fancy audi and a driver, i doubt that you appreciate the fact that it takes you two hours to cross town ... and your 'little emperor' grows up with asthma

Beijing is not facing any sort of unique problem. However, they have the opportunity to lead the world with a unique solution.

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admin wrote:
The Chinese could lead the world with road management

even if you have a fancy audi and a driver, i doubt that you appreciate the fact that it takes you two hours to cross town ... and your 'little emperor' grows up with asthma

Beijing is not facing any sort of unique problem. However, they have the opportunity to lead the world with a unique solution.

As for road management Germany and The United States(except in the east) have already accomplished this so perhaps China could take a page from their books.

Your other post is a valid one but as I said it will have to come from the people themselves. I do not believe that implementation by the government will work with the mood of the people today especially toward automobiles. Materialism is the game and the glory of wealth and status supersedes all else.

Illegitimus non carborundum

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

I have to agree with Admin on this one. Unfortunately, if the government does decide to keep the restrictions, I do foresee the emergence of a fake number plate industry. Hopefully the new subway lines will help as well.

It is people's right to buy and drive a car. But the arguement that a restriction impedes on somebody's rights is ridiculous. What about the right of the community and future generations to live in safe and clean environment?

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

CyniCritic wrote:
I have to agree with Admin on this one.
It is people's right to buy and drive a car. But the arguement that a restriction impedes on somebody's rights is ridiculous. What about the right of the community and future generations to live in safe and clean environment?

I do not disagree with Admin, however it is a matter of a different Chinese society and either restricting or taking away rights that have already been given to them. At the moment,unfortunately, in this country, it is the rights of the rich that are most valuable. The Chinese are not that nationalistic and everyone wishes to be rich or at least act rich and I see a major uproar after some time over such restrictions. I still believe that although they will work in theory they will not work in reality. You mentioned yourself that a fake plate industry would spring up if it has not already done so and there would be continued corruption. Restrictions are an idea but not the solution.

Illegitimus non carborundum

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

our poll still has 81% supporting a continuation of the odds-evens

Come on car people, don't tell me the FABULOUS weather yesterday ... I could see the mountains to the north and the west from the center of the CBD -- doesn't make you PRAY they keep this ban in place ...

Meanwhile, Chinese netizens continue to discuss it

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-08/31/content_6984359.htm

Quote:
BEIJING -- More than 400,000 Beijingers have joined an online discussion about whether to keep a pre-Games car ban.

Nearly half of them supported a permanent car restriction -- an alternating odd-even license plate system from July 20. While the others, mostly car owners, opposed.

Clear air, clean water and safe food, among all other good things, left local residents with not only an "exceptional" Olympics but a keen concern about the Games' "green legacy" which featured blue skies.

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Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

I have no car so of course I want to keep it in place, but also like Admin said- It was gorgeous yesterday and today for that matter!

I like clean air- I can tolerate the stinky subway if there is beauty to great me when I come out of it!

Whatever

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

Obviously everyone enjoys the clean air, seeing the mountains etc , but the odd/even is not the way to do it. I am writing as someone who has two cars and in which I have my wife use the cars on the authorized days and I use public transportation.

There are probably other ways to lessen the pollution problems. One that would certainly make things better is stronger policies regarding the many trucks and older vehicles that emit high levels of pollutants in the air. Yes, there is testing that is required to get registrations renewed but that is somewhat easy to get around by knowing the right people or paying the going rate for getting past the inspection. Strong policing of this would help combined with the elimination of many of the governmental vehicles that are used in the city. Or perhaps they can change those vehicles into more economical models. This might be easier to do than telling people they can only drive their car half the time.

I still feel that the only way to control the number of vehicles is to increase the amount of money people need to purchase a license tag and registration and higher road use taxes. Granted, people who are wealthy will not care about this, but may sway others who are considering a car purchase.

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

I've changed my mind -- the sun's too damn bright! Bring back the smog before we all get skin cancer and the sun bakes Beijing into a desert!

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Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

I own a car and I am for the odd-even plate scheme. Of course I've got less value of my car. But the traffic frustration saved almost makes it an even deal. In fact it's not the fuel cost and wading through the traffic I hate most, it's the pollution that is costing my life bit by bit, which the lost of value of my car is peanut compare with.

Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

Definitly YES. Health is more important than everything else.

Nowadays many of the "white-collar workers" own cars. If you go to office by car, it is nothing special any more.
Go by bycicle instead, even if it is 15 or 20km. It will take you one hour, the same time as going by bus or car (when going by car, calculate your time for looking for a parking lot, maitaining and washing your car ...).
The colleagues will be REALLY impressed and the opposite sex will like you, because you become muscular and healthy!

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Read this and tell me you are for a removal of the odd/even restrictions:

"Levels of major pollutants such as sulfur dioxide, carbon monoxide and nitrogen dioxide fell to levels normally found in cities in developed countries, it said."

From this article:

Clean skies campaign was a success, Beijing says
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/01/asia/cleanup.php

Quote:
BEIJING: The massive effort to clear the skies over Beijing for the Summer Olympics paid off, the city's environmental authority said Monday, with the capital seeing its cleanest air in a decade.

The Beijing Municipal Environmental Protection Bureau said that the improvement in air pollution was mainly the result of special, and temporary, measures that closed factories and banned cars from the roads during the Games.

The clear weather appears to be continuing into September, with clear blue skies that have allowed a rare glimpse of Beijing's western hills, which are usually obscured by smog.

The environmental bureau said in a notice on its Web site that the density of major pollutants was cut by 45 percent in August. It said there were 14 days with the best air quality, "excellent" or level 1, and only one day rated at the worst quality, or level 3.

Some months typically have less than a handful of days with level 1 air quality.

More here:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/01/asia/cleanup.php

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Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

The thing is, it is not ordinary passenger vehicles that cause most of the particulate pollution we see as smog, so the odd even system won't have as great an effect as people imagine. If you have lived in Beijing for very long you know that hazy fog days are sporatic, and occassionally you do get clear days like now, just because of certain weather patterns. I have seen plenty of days like this in years past.

The greatest causes of the heavy polluiton we have come to know and love however is mostly from diesel trucks, and unregulated vehicles which exceed acceptable levels of emmissions. Because of the size of the particles, diesel smoke causes the greatest damage to our hearts and lungs. Virtually nothing gets done about this at present compared to cities that have taken active measures against this. Trucks, buses and three wheeled vehicles spewing large plumes of smoke are completely ignored in this town.

Also if you ever drive outside the city limits and have seen the big chemical and electrical plants with six or seven towers spewing their thick filth 24 hours a day, you can easily see how the problem has gotten where it is. There are other cities which have relaitively little traffic but which are as bad or worse to breathe in as Beijing. Just spend an hour or two trying to breath in Changchun or Zhengzhou. You will wonder how anything survives.

I like the odd even system because I can now get where I need to go without wanting to tear someones head off. Sitting in mindless traffic jams for two to three hours everyday was taking years off my life. Pollution and transportation are without a doubt Beijing biggest societal problem by a long shot. Drastic measures are definitely needed.

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Re: Should Beijing keep the odds-and-evens traffic restrictions?

I figure less than half of the air pollution in Beijing is from vehicles. The odd-even scheme may reduce air pollution only by 10-20%. The biggest effect of the odd-even rule is perhaps in that it creates the kind of pressure as "We 10 million people are doing our part so the polluters are supposed to do theirs, too." so the gov't can go ahead and keep its promise to keep those polluting factories closed after the Olympics until they meet certain green standard. I think shutting down polluting factories might have greater effect than the odd-even scheme itself.

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expat13 and squid are the only posters who've made sense. If it's pollution you're targeting, emissions control is what's needed. Not a blanket restriction that doesn't distinguish between a hybrid and a Hummer.

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