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the new TBJ SUCKS

my honest opinion ? it really sucks, you badly need a skilled designer. too much stuff, too much text all with the same fonts, very very confusing, too much pretentious. it may appeal the chinese taste but certainly not westerners. ---------- the new forum layout : simply unusable. ---------- the new TBJ logo : WHERE have i've seen that logo already ? am i wrong or the concept (the JING used as "J") is stolen from a logo i draw for you guys last year ? (sorry to post in this section but anything else have been locked)

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Wow, I never thought I'd agree with Marco about anything, but...

The new design is a bit too busy. The navigation also strikes me as being confusing for the forums, but OK for the rest of the site. And the speed of the site is pretty slow compared to the old version. I hope they (quickly) decide to throw faster hardware at the problem to reduce the very pregnant pauses between page refreshes. If this is still run on a single server, the addition of an object cache like memcached might help quite a bit by reducing the database churn, which is likely the source of the slowdown.

As for the logo, I kinda like it.

Cheers,

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I also note that there is no option to edit your own posts. I wanted to add something in that I'd forgotten, but I don't see any obvious way to edit an existing post. Thinking

Cheers,

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Contrary to the title of this thread, I think the new TBJ is looking good. It's easy on the eyes, nice layout, more attractive and professional. That said, I miss having the direct link on the reply page to the smileys and it looks like the quote function may be trickier, though I haven't used it yet. Also, it would be helpful to move up the Preview and Post Reply buttons closer to the reply section.

Hopefully, there will be revsions and modifications made in the near future in response to members suggestions.

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it's definitely a work in progress. Please tell us what works and doesn't work, we'll do our best to get it all done up nice.

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What was wrong with the old layout? If it isn't broken, why fix it? Now, it is confusing and you have taken away some ad posting options. It looks like a child designed it. Don't you have a professional web designer, or shouldn't you hire one? This is amateurish at best. I could design a much better website using a free service such as zoomshare...(In fact, I did). Man, anyone can see that this website is all messed up....same font, same colors, same size text everywhere...it look as if you took the old "The Beijinger", put it in a blender, added some vodka and kaluha, hit frappe, then guzzled it all down and puked it back onto the screen....absolutely terrible.

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waterman1969 wrote:
Don't you have a professional web designer, or shouldn't you hire one?

strange as it may seem to you, we in fact did hire a professional web design firm to do it --

http://raincitystudios.com/portfolio

but this "version" of the site is really mostly a backend redesign. We've moved to an entirely new platform that has attempted to streamline a lot of the bugs in the old "frankensite" that we have been using for almost 3 years.

Now, given this new site is written bascially from scratch it allows us to make much more customization into the future.

Please do post here what features/functions you want to see and we will work on addressing them.

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Why is it so sssssllllllooooowwwwwwwwww?

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a little buggy ... first time we've had hundreds of users going at it!

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It's slow, slow slow. Fix that first and foremost.

Also when I view my classified ads, the thumbnails load incorrectly.

third, why did you drop the max file size to 75k? 100,000 bytes wasn't small enough? Honestly you should be giving us more than that in this day and age--megabytes cost pennies.

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I think it looks good but it's really, really slow, almost unuseable.

Re: the new TBJ SUCKS and the hosting even more!

waterman1969 wrote:
What was wrong with the old layout? If it isn't broken, why fix it?

Obviously a website needs a redo of the look every 1.5-2yrs orso. With the old site they have been pushing it way too long, so a new look is very welcome.

HOWEVER, I definitely must agree with the rest of waterman1969's comment and original poster, this site sucks big time.

I agree with the comments of (lack of) choice of font.

Your servers are way not up for the task and that is a stupidity that could easily have been taken care of BEFORE going live! I mean after so many years you do have gathered some stats on daily usage of bandwidth, right? Then why "invest" in a new layout and forget the most important of all: the servers???

To come up with an excuse like

admin wrote:
first time we've had hundreds of users going at it!

is a very lame excuse, because it is you who have been creating the momentum yourself with posts and signatures in the first place! Perhaps it would have been an idea to first test your server's capacity before going live?

Another thing I noticed when "browsing" the classifieds. That is not possible anymore! Say I want to look for an ayi or cleaning service for my home. I click on the first ad that seems ok, I read it and then want to view the next.

NOT POSSIBLE. I have to go back, search again for an interesting one and click on that one.

I'm sure that Raincity is a very capable company (offices in SH and Vancouver) and have designed many "people-powered websites", but this is a mistake that goes totally beyond me. It serves no other purpose than making the traffic to your website less instead of more!

Furthermore I still find there are too many rotating gifs on the site which distract and serve no other purpose than to irritate me. I know this is personal taste, but as admin writes

admin wrote:
Please tell us what works and doesn't work, we'll do our best to get it all done up nice.

A simple solution can be to not have them rotate indefinitely, but stop after let's say 2 rounds!

I have seen a post in the forum where many people are quoted, have you seen how that looks? CRAP that's how it looks and I use a euphemism here!

Really, Drupal can be a cool platform to build your site on, but it would help if the developers really understand you and your needs!

I suggest that if you don't want to receive too much bad publicity, you'd better start acting fast!

Good luck!

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Some troubleshooting (using Opera 9.02):

Wrong tooltips are displayed nearly everywhere. If I move my mouse over, let's say, the title of this thread, it says "photos of our community".

Alternating colors in the forum list are not distinct enough so that the overview looks messy.

Now that you have this nice new logo the icon in the address bar icon should be changed accordingly.

The "Home" link under "Forum" and under "Messages" is unnecessary or should lead to Forum home instead of thebeijinger.com.

I find the "Most discussed" and "most viewed" lists unnecessary unless you limit posts in there to a certain time frame. It's kind of depressing to know the most discussed threads are mostly from 2006.

Why are Visa issues within "Home » Forums » Practical Advice"? What are those new categories anyway? I find them confusing.

The "Search" field on top of all the pages: Where am I searching? The site? The forum? The classifieds?

Generally, I find the middle column too narrow for the forum start page, and I'm confused by the ever appearing and disappearing side columns (e.g. the left hand column is not there when I read a thread, but reappears when I preview my answer).

When writing a PM, the Message input field is too small.

The formatting hints under each comment field are too much now. Could you put them in a little popup?

Did we get rid of all the formatting buttons previously on top of the text fields (b, i, img, url, quote and so on) or is it just Opera?

On the blog: the entries in your left hand column are illegible to me because they're vertically overlapping.

I'll try to look out for some more once I managed to load a few more pages...

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This is really pretty bad.

Very slow. It took four tries just to get here.

Confusing, even to a first or secodn time visitor, let alone the many who used to come here.

Dress up the rest of the site if you want, but you really should have left the forums alone (and I mean more alone that you have been for the past month or so, even before the disasterous site changes).

This site reminds me of New Coke.

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the general layout is surely not my type

but in the threads, it s just horrible,
u can t see the difference between each post, and put the avatars on the left, pls, dyslexic originality does not go with websites

and the rest if too stuffy

3,5/10

A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices.
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Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles.
-- George Jean Nathan

It may be true that

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coeurdelion wrote:
Did we get rid of all the formatting buttons previously on top of the text fields (b, i, img, url, quote and so on) or is it just Opera?

Also on FF2

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I think this new site will successfully break me of the habit of coming here a lot, if at all.

Maybe I owe my thanks for that.

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"It doesn't matter who we are underneath. It is what we do
that defines us." -Batman

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obvious.

- drupal IS slow
- phpbb3 IS slow
- they needed ugly hacks to sync the old CMS together
with previous legacy data in the DB.

technically nothing to complain but the layout is simply
against any useability rule !

even the tabbed menu is stupid :
- the tab in use (eg : forum) should be marked with
a different color or made somehow to stand up from
the others (see amazon.com's menu)
- when you go in the home page the HOme tab must stand out
from the crowd

Search : yes, search what ? forum ? classifieds ?

sidebars : stuffy, messy, bad deal.

i can go on and on....

i mean it's exactly from these small little details
it takes me 2 seconds to see the guy who made the layout
is NOT a professional designer.

read some good books about web useability, this design is infringing almost EVERY rule !

and the avatars on the right, that's another idiotic feature of phpBB3.

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and ... now tell me ... RED color is the color you eventually use for important text and messages, here by opposite it's used for the non important links like "report spam" "send message" etc

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in conclusion : get yourself a better forum,
go www.thenongminger.com

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what happened to the site?
trying to completely change customers' habits will likely lose your market--the business books tell us:)

http://pangmaoer.ycool.com/index.html
welcome all nice/sane people for serious discussion

Sorry, no Hello Kitty available here;-)

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hi why can my raccoon avatar not move anymore??

http://pangmaoer.ycool.com/index.html
welcome all nice/sane people for serious discussion

Sorry, no Hello Kitty available here;-)

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Really sucks. what is the design...so dazzle.. and the speed is really slow.

Even have more function added but not fancy..

Hope to go back.

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also having a problem with pm's. anyone else?

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I think it looks better than before. prettier.

change is inevitable. websites need to change and update, just like anything else. the old site was getting too old. this looks fresh and exciting.

also, I've noticed that logging into the forum means you're logged into the whole website. no need to register a different account for classifieds, etc. that's definitely more convenient than before.

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Franz Joseph wrote:
obvious.

- drupal IS slow

Yes, it is. And it's a security nightmare. However, hardware is cheap so it could be made LOTS faster by caching the bejeezus out of things with memcached and throwing a faster machine at the problem. This isn't Amazon.com and doesn't get that much traffic. That is the easy part.

The usability issues are pretty significant and a more difficult nut to crack. Thanks for the heads up on which web design firm NOT to use. I really don't want to heap on the schadenfreude, but this is a pretty serious screw up.

Again, cheers on the new logo...raspberries on the lack of usability.

Cheers,

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moreover :

- lots of old threads can only display page 1 and not the whole thread

- some accounts have been deleted and with it the whole threads (try search for anything written by Cesare Lombroso and you'll get redirected to the home page)

- the search function doesn't actually search ! nor you can specify anything more than one keyword or two.

- you can't see the list of the messages written by other posters

- i can't see any pagination number in large threads !

- it's slow as a dog

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love the scheme and new colors but the implementation is lacking.

basically, I agree with everything Frank Joseph has mentioned above. Speed is a major major issue right now between a CMS that is as non-efficient as you can get and forum software on its last legs...

also... this whole having to preview the reply before posting it just makes it worse.

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I suggest that my avatar should be able to move FIRST.

Last comment: Nice logo.

Seriously, that is the only good thing I can find to say about this new site. It is terrible.

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V wrote:
Franz Joseph wrote:
obvious.

- drupal IS slow

Yes, it is. And it's a security nightmare. However, hardware is cheap so it could be made LOTS faster by caching the bejeezus out of things with memcached and throwing a faster machine at the problem. This isn't Amazon.com and doesn't get that much traffic. That is the easy part.

The usability issues are pretty significant and a more difficult nut to crack. Thanks for the heads up on which web design firm NOT to use. I really don't want to heap on the schadenfreude, but this is a pretty serious screw up.

Again, cheers on the new logo...raspberries on the lack of usability.

Cheers,

if you know about Drupal the main issue is infact the caching : no matter
what they tried, it's simply slow as a dog in many cases, or at least much
slower than joomla, dotnetnuke, modx, etc

i run several joomla sites and i can telly you it's a sh*t of a cms,
but caching works like a charm even on shared hosts, i've even a client
with 100.000 fatty (5-900kB each) pageviews/day and runs pretty fast
on a 2euro/month shared hosting...

security all depends which sort of 3rd party mods and addons they use.
as long as you make your own mods and you stick with the core cms
drupal is decently secure.

what i hate is now they have 4 different versions all incompatible
with each other : great framework but it's a pain in the ass to manage
and keep updated.

usability : that's all a designer's fault, not Drupal's.

logo : i repeat, the concept is MINE and it was STOLEN,
now i can't even find the original thread (was 1 year old more or less)
as they deleted anything written by Cesare Lombroso but
i can prove (i've all those shitty logos somewhere in my hdd)
the concept is MINE and they're a bunch of loosers.

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our top priority now is to work on the speed issue, so some functionality improvements will take a back seat to finding ways to speed performance.

BTW since when is drupal notoriously slow and unsecure? I mean I don't know much about it myself (nor am i a staunch defender of any one platform) but the people who I've been working with regarding drupal don't seem to share the opinion of it being slow and insecure.

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19954/53/

Quote:
Apple may have disclosed more vulnerabilities than any other vendor during the first half of 2008, but Microsoft and HP are still 'beating' the Cupertino kids when it comes to the number of public exploits. These are among the findings in a report published by IBM's X-Force security R&D team.

Overall, ten vendors were responsible for 81 percent of vulnerability disclosures. They were Apple, Joomla!, Microsoft, IBM, Sun, Oracle, Cisco, Drupal, WordPress and Linux.

It is interesting to note the presence of three open source content management systems in the list. Some advocates claim that open source is inherently more secure than closed source, because of the larger number of eyes that can examine it. The downside is that it's akin to doing your dirty laundry in public.

But that openness doesn't appear to impact on exploits, because when vendors were ranked in terms of the number of public exploits, three vendors were head and shoulders above the rest: Microsoft, HP and Apple.

'Public exploit' is defined as "Any proof-of-concept demonstrative code, partially or fully functional, or malicious mobile agent, such as malware, that is publicly available."

"The public availability of proof-of-concept code increases the likelihood that the vulnerability will face live exploitation either through targeted attempts or through a mass distribution method, like in an exploit toolkit," says the X-Force report. "Common outlets for these public exploits are exploit testing tools like Metasploit and Canvas."

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Let's look on the bright side. The frame on the left side of the home page is no longer cluttered with ads for/from hookers. My god, this is slow. It took almost 3 minutes to get to the preview page when I clicked "preview". Feh.

Cheers,

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admin wrote:
our top priority now is to work on the speed issue, so some functionality improvements will take a back seat to finding ways to speed performance.

BTW since when is drupal notoriously slow and unsecure? I mean I don't know much about it myself (nor am i a staunch defender of any one platform) but the people who I've been working with regarding drupal don't seem to share the opinion of it being slow and insecure.

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19954/53/

Quote:
Apple may have disclosed more vulnerabilities than any other vendor during the first half of 2008, but Microsoft and HP are still 'beating' the Cupertino kids when it comes to the number of public exploits. These are among the findings in a report published by IBM's X-Force security R&D team.

Overall, ten vendors were responsible for 81 percent of vulnerability disclosures. They were Apple, Joomla!, Microsoft, IBM, Sun, Oracle, Cisco, Drupal, WordPress and Linux.

It is interesting to note the presence of three open source content management systems in the list. Some advocates claim that open source is inherently more secure than closed source, because of the larger number of eyes that can examine it. The downside is that it's akin to doing your dirty laundry in public.

But that openness doesn't appear to impact on exploits, because when vendors were ranked in terms of the number of public exploits, three vendors were head and shoulders above the rest: Microsoft, HP and Apple.

'Public exploit' is defined as "Any proof-of-concept demonstrative code, partially or fully functional, or malicious mobile agent, such as malware, that is publicly available."

"The public availability of proof-of-concept code increases the likelihood that the vulnerability will face live exploitation either through targeted attempts or through a mass distribution method, like in an exploit toolkit," says the X-Force report. "Common outlets for these public exploits are exploit testing tools like Metasploit and Canvas."

what about the LOGO, admin ?

do you really want to deny it's not "inspired" by one of the logos i posted last year ?

oh and why i can't access that page anymore as it seems to be deleted as well as anything else containing cesare's stuff ?

i'll search my hdd for the logo in question and post a comparison for all to judge.

p.s.
as for Drupal it may be VERY secure if know its internals, but speed in medium/big sites remains an issue.

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