the taxi trick
Many taxis here like to take some roundabout way before driving you to the right destination. You are certainly aware of this little trick.
Now that I know the place a little bit, I'm starting to notice when the taxi drivers play this trick to me.
Here my question is :
When this has happened to you, how did you react ?
Has anyone tried to scold the driver (hard for me because my chinese is poor), or leave without paying, pay less, etc ?
Give me tips :twisted:




americanbeijinger
Re: the taxi trick
If you just tell him which way to go then it won't be a problem. Like if he wants to take the second ring and you think it's shorter to take the third, just say so and he'll do it.
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terra_cotta_courier
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Step 1: If you don't know where you're going, talk to some folks on the street before you flag down the cab. Ask them about the general direction in which you should head.
Step 2: If you notice the taxi driver clearly not going in that direction, just act a little surprised and ask them why they took this particular street (you don't even have to understand their response). This gives them the idea you know the correct route to your destination, even if you really don't.
So basically, this strategy is just to trick them into thinking you know where you're going. Never give a taxi driver a reason to think you're not familiar with the route, even if you really have no idea. --don't ask how much it should cost to get somewhere. --don't ask how far is it to your destination. --etc.
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Watson
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When I first got here that was a big problem, because obviously I didn't know the city and I was used to telling taxi drivers actually street addresses (street name and number). Of course that doesn't work in Beijing.
When I know where I am going I will direct the drivers, when I have realized that they are trying to rip me off I have yelled at them (something that I would never do at home, but whatever....) and one time it was obvious the driver was trying to rip us off and we got out of the taxi and just gave him what we thought he derserved, the actual fare. He didn't do anything. Sometimes be wary of drivers who like to chat you up. I have been tricked into thinking they are "so friendly" and without realizing it they have taken the long way.....
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ancicamila
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Oh, you have to react!
Tell them where to go, don't be shy. It's ok
Also, be very alert at all times (no reading books or magazines or sending smses).
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Watson
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No need to study every place in Beijing, just be careful and not afraid to yell if you think you are being ripped off
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shaunc
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Well there have been many times when I ask the driver to stop somewhere and he sloooooowly applies the brakes and drops me off 50 yards down the road....and of course the meter has clicked that one more kuai. Happens too often to be a coincidence.
How many times have you looked at the Identification card on the dash and relaized it was a different person behind the wheel? Why? If you had a problem how would you track down the driver?
I put my parents (who speak no Chinese) in a taxi and sent them to Lido Hotel from my apartment next to IKEA. Ok, that's like less than a 3 km ride. The driver said OK, he know where it was. I even gave him directions "Make a left here, go up two streets and make a right. Three blocks on your right." Not to mention it is a landmark that every other driver seems to know.
An hour later my parents arrive in Lido with a 40 kuai cab ride. I'd like to call it ignorance, blame it on my poor Chinese, or some other excuse for the driver...but it was just plain thievery. Plain and simple.
Sometimes I get great drivers who love to talk, have clean cabs, don't smoke and drive safely. But watch yourself...there are plenty of creeps out there too. Just ask a Chinese girl to take a cab ride home alone at 2am when she's had too much to drink. They are scared for a reason.
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redtomkidd
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True dat. Nowadays, I just surprise the taxi driver with my stop. Wait til the last minute and then scream, "IT'S HERE!@!"
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Watson
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You know you have lived in China too long when a "nice and honest" taxi driver is a pleasant surprise. I hate going to other parts of China where I don't have any idea of where I am going. I immediately tense up in the taxi and am prepared to get ripped off
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mh
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get a receipt.
complain to the phone number printed on it.
it works. for me the few times I tried anyway.
the driver has a job or bonus to lose.
Once a cab driver took the long way around. My friend
had already paid when I found it out. I told the driver
that either he accepted a normal fare or I'd complain to
the phone number (after taking the receipt of course).
The driver decided to give back the over charge. So even
mentioning complaining can work.
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expat13
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I have been a number of years and although I dont take taxis too much anymore, I find the drivers are pretty reliable about taking you to the right place on the correct route. My Chinese is very limited but I know the city well and other than perhaps my first year in Beijing where I had one instance with one of the black cabs, my experience has been good.
Other cities, a different story, often times you have to negotiate the price at first, even if they have meters, and some like in Nanjing will pay a toll, lets say 20 yuan and then when its time for payment, up that toll to 30, thinking you are too dumb to know better. Beijing cabbies are generally good, and when they refuse to take you for some reason, do make an effort to start to write down their taxi card number, and its amazing how quickly they will change their mind about taking you.
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YunRui
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I've had good and bad experiences with taxi drivers, which you come to expect anywhere. The best of the good experiences here in Beijing was on one evening I pointed out that the driver had just missed the ring road exit closest to my home. He immediately stopped the meter, went off at the next exit and drove me to my front door. The ride actually cost less than if he had taken the correct exit! Now there's a 'happy thought for the day!'
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herojuana
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Make a show of writing down the cab's number as soon as you get in.
Don't be overly friendly, just be curt and business like.
Remain very alert.
If you are sure you have been ripped off, don't pay. Whip out your mobile phone, if they relent, you know you're right. If they are prepared to let you call them in, maybe you're wrong.
Never pass out in a cab. It's not cool.
Ladies, pack mace or a taser.
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mh
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For those whose Chinese isn't up to it:
Say "I'm going to file a complaint" in Chinese :
Wo Yao Tou Su !
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thunder54
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Your all crazy i have never been ripped off by a taxi driver I know the city really well and have never had a problem. I think a lot of you are just paranoid because you don't know the roads here.
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Pussstrecther
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as if you never been ripped off in your own city
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ancicamila
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Hmmm, well, I'm not so sure about that.
Back home every taxi driver has to take this exam about knowing the streeets and all that, and it is almost a general knowlegde that taxi drivers know the city best.
Here it happened to me few times that the guy didn't know where Dongzhimen is, I mean, that should be basic.
But of course, there are prick taxi drivers back home too, only I haven't really ever had a real bad experience with them, but I heard dsome other people did.
Anyway, you are right about money, it's not the money that matters, it's my time that he's wasting.
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ancicamila
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Yeah, you might have the point there.
But, still, I was an obvious foreigner in other places too, and yet I think I never experienced something similar.
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Watson
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Many of the taxi drivers are complete morons. I've also had drivers tell me they don't know where dongzhimen is. Hellooooo........Anybody home?
It doesn't take much for a taxi driver to actually look at a map of Beijing every once in a while so he can do his job....Is that too much to ask?
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zerolife
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unfortunantly today, most of the taxi drivers in Beijing aren't really from the city anymore because they don't really make much. Most of the fare goes to the company. A lot of them switched to the "black taxi" market where they keep all of the fare.
However, that doesn't mean they can rip you off. You don't need yell or start a fight. Just ask for the receipt which shows the distance, the price you paid, the driver's number and his taxi company. Then call the phone number on the receipt or go to their office and complain with the taxi company directly.
Once, I asked for the Ke Ji Guan (I don't know the full name but I explained it's the technology museum with the big ball) and the driver told me he knows it but ended up taking me to some conference building with a similar name. I had to call my Chinese friend who was waiting for me so she could tell the driver where the museum is and it seemed like he knows the place but got lost again. To keep the story short, I ended up with a 60 kuai fare for what should have been around 20 kuai. The driver was so irritated when we arrived that I decided not to argue with him (plus I was already late). My Chinese friend later called the taxi company and they made the driver drive down to my dorm for a full refund and an apology. In addition, the company also told us that the driver was pernalized with a couple hundred yuan fine (I forgot the exact amount) and they had it posted on their internal bulletin board / newspaper.
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jakeller23
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The only problem i've had several times is taxi drivers who refuse to take me where I'm going. They tend to pull up by the oriental plaza and pretend to be going on a break, but if someone comes by going in the direction they want to go, then they will suddenly not be on break anymore. I think part of the problem is the bad traffic, because they don't want to go somewhere where they will just be sitting in traffic for half an hour. I'm not sure if threatening to complain would work or not for those types.
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Hutong_Harry
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I was going from the visa office to the Indian embassy which is just up from the US Embassy.
I had printed the address from the website in Chinese on a piece of paper.
He said he didn't know where it was.
We called the company and the manager of the company came down to the Visa office and ripped the guy's permit in half to demonstrate his resolve.
By all means ... DO complain.
The rule is that if they do NOT know where somewhere is ... they are supposed to call in and ask for directions. AND they log the times of all calls and the driver's name.
The Taxi company actually gets pissed off because while this guy is sitting on his ass watching the clouds, THEY are not making money.
They'd rather have a guy in there who hustles.
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jakeller23
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well, the problem is that they DO know where I'm going, but are just unwilling to go in that direction (like they say they're only headed east when I want to go west), and usually with a crowd of people waiting for taxis there will be someone going the way they want to go, so they will take that person.
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zerolife
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they are probably going to get off soon. If you ain't going in the direction of their home, they'll just find someone else who does.
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terra_cotta_courier
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I discussed this thread with a native Beijingren. She said the same thing described by jakeller23 has happened to her many times. So it's not only happening to laowai. The bottom line is that taxi drivers make peanuts for long hours of work, and they are going to make some trade-offs to try to increase their income. If your destination is a place where the driver can't easily find a customer, he's going to be more reluctant about going there. It's annoying as hell, but it's hard to blame them.
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jamhnxx
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Yeah, good idea, but dont forget the number on the taxi and keep the receipt
also, if you roughly know where you going, u can alwasy negotiate with taxi driver on a fixed price, without clocking the meter, usualy does the trick as well
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villageidiot
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there's one more thing to have in mind, as it happened a few times to me.
always make sure you've got change, a few 1 and 5 notes of chairman mao. sometimes you give them a 20 and they'll just say they don't have any change.
usually they know you're in a hurry and can't be bothered to try and get change for a 17rmb faire.
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webmag
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yes. it's the best way to complain to the phone. I remember that three times of complaint will make the drive lose his job.
If you can read some chinese, here is the way of complaint:
http://carelessquicklife.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!32ccd6d6bbb7088!1403.entry
and the new act will take effact in months:
http://news.sdinfo.net/72350064130916352/20070628/1540146.shtml
On the other hand, All the taxi drivers make hard livings. They work 12~15 hours a day without weekend or holidays and get poor income around 3000 kuai. Most of the profit goes to the company and the officers.
you know, I can't say more about it. To complainthe drive to the hotline, only if it is nessesary.
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babochina
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oooooh
i like beijing taxi drivers
i missed the time when i was riding in a stinky xiali with a half drunk driver providing me with some insight regarding
- my life and the course of events that led me in their cab on this exact day / my professional career, why, where, when, how much ?
- the breeding of pigeons (belgium is famous for pigeons, taxi drivers like pigeons)
- my love life
(the last and most recent one was just so cute and nice with me, he knew the guy, gave me a circumstancial analysis of the situation and told me "sister, u got only one thing to do, u got to let him know what s in your heart, otherwise, mei banfa, aiyah" at 8 in the morning when ur aforementioned heart is all blue and sad, it makes u feel good)
- or when we start comparing the merits of our countries
(and when u play belgium / china, u got quite some remarks to make)
- football world cup was a blast, every night, i was goin on endless discussions about the merits of italy and france and even these japanese with their funky haircuts, and the decay of the red devils (my derelictent national team)
- the taxi driver who could say hello in so many languages, awful pronunciation but, man, he knew his stuff and he was so proud, and i was so shocked to hear some french coming from the front seat i thought there was a hidden passager
- the one who was so happy to tell me his daughter was working for the same company as me, that was a beaming dad
- the xylophonic "todododo dododo do do do! wufa qinqi" (approximative pinyin) the traffic bulletin
- the same old guy who s on radio 24/7/365 with his creaky voice to narrate i don t know what
and i wonder when he sleeps or when he ll run short of sth else to add, it goes way beyond "The Archers", it s one of the biggest broadcasted monuments ever produced
- the driver more drunk than i was
(when i had left my scooter at the bar to go home safe) who took the cement border of the bridge pillar at 40 and just laughed, i m sure his suspension and his exhaust pipe and his car frame didn t
- the one who explained to me with details the exact amount of respectively beer and baijiu (by number of bottles and crates) he could drink and still be able to drive
- the smells, sometimes hard to cope with but it gives an identity to your ride (and it s disappearing)
they re the socio-professional category i ve the most extended contacts with
i know more about some taxi drivers after 20 mins than some of my colleagues in 3 years, it s like entering their home, their own space
and my chinese is uber crap !
most of all,
they re cheap AND they re useful
if not perfect
they don t know beijing ?
sometimes, but they don t have a test to pass
not their fault, ask the authorities
and EVERYWHERE, u ll find some taxi drivers who will try to cheat
really outweighs my bad experiences and the few kuai i ve been ripped off
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Edwin
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been challenged.
you have brought this whole ( and repeatedly discussed ) conversation to a new level. kudos.
I agree that it is not so much about money but about treatment.
However, might it be us Laowai only imagine being mistreated in some instances?
Let us keep in mind that these so called taxi drivers
a. have not received much of a taxi driver education pertaining
Beijing's geography
( unlike in London, where a driver is required to know every tiny street before he can obtain a license )
b. most of them are laid-off WORKERS from state-enterprises.
this means during their entire life they were never req. to be smart.
Thus they simply do not conceive so many parameters and possibilities in advance, instead, they just drive where it is free as long as the direction is somewhat in line with the target destination.
c. some of them don't even live here but come from MiYun or FangShan
to town every day. How are they supposed to know each and every detail of the traffic jams in Beijing ? They drive around in the whole city and not only in the Laowai ghetto between East 2nd and east 4th.
In sum, my humble theory is most of the taxi drivers are very simple people. They just don't think so much , don't plan so much in advance,
perhaps dont' even realize it takes 2 or let it be 5 Yuan more.
And they can't even imagine that it would hurt us Laowai.
And us Laowai freak out because we are not used to such simple mindedness. Yeah, we suspect being cheated.
That being said, I have had very good encounters with taxi drivers in Beijing, including a free ride because he could not give change to my big RMB 100 note.
of course, there are also the few obvious ones, but I would say more than 95% are ok. I f you have lived in Shanghai before you know to appreciate t-drivers over here......
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seabreeze98
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Haha! Did you guys try to get discounts on SH taxis late at night?
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